{"id":59555,"date":"2023-10-23T15:48:57","date_gmt":"2023-10-23T19:48:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pappp.net\/?guid=aa724b835a1a163e33f46659056e4dbf"},"modified":"2023-10-23T15:48:57","modified_gmt":"2023-10-23T19:48:57","slug":"reddit-finally-takes-its-api-war-where-it-belongs-to-ai-companies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pappp.net\/?p=59555","title":{"rendered":"Reddit finally takes its API war where it belongs: to AI companies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"syndicated-attribution\">Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/?p=1977935\">Ars Technica<\/a><\/p>\n<div style=\"background-color : #fff7d5;\n\t\t\tborder-width : 1px; padding : 5px; border-style : dashed; border-color : #e7d796;margin-bottom : 1em; color : #9a8c59;\">Article note: Reddit's whole proposition is hosting communities without the hassle of setting up infrastructure and joining separate communities.  \nThey in turn get to capture value by selling access to those communities as much as they can without interfering with their function.\nThe draw to new users is that it is where the user-created content that isn't _completely_ overrun by corpo bullshit and SEO spam is.\n\nBreaking discoverability and indexing (this) is an even larger violation of that arrangement than breaking clients and management tools (last dumb) as a way to try to squeeze extra value. Stop worrying that someone else might make a dime off the content you host and start worrying that people might stop letting you rentseek off of it for only the cost of web hosting.<\/div><div>\n<figure>\n  <img src=\"https:\/\/cdn.arstechnica.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/GettyImages-1438051262-800x525.jpg\" alt=\"Business person searching browsing internet data information networking concept.\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" loading=\"lazy\"\/>\n      <p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn.arstechnica.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/GettyImages-1438051262-scaled.jpg\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Enlarge<\/a> (credit: <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.gettyimages.com\/detail\/photo\/business-person-searching-browsing-internet-data-royalty-free-image\/1438051262?phrase=google\">Getty<\/a>)<\/p>  <\/figure>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<div><a name=\"page-1\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Reddit ignited a war this year. Dramatic changes in API access pricing (from free to <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/gadgets\/2023\/05\/reddits-api-pricing-results-in-shocking-20-million-a-year-bill-for-apollo\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">unaffordable<\/a>)&nbsp;was one of its most polarizing moves ever. It resulted in apps beloved by long-time Reddit users, including <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/gadgets\/2023\/09\/are-reddits-replacement-mods-fit-to-fight-misinformation\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">moderators<\/a> and people with accessibility needs, <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/gadgets\/2023\/06\/reddit-api-changes-are-imminent-heres-whats-happening-to-your-favorite-apps\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">closing shop<\/a>. <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/gadgets\/2023\/06\/the-reddit-protests-are-winding-down-so-whats-next\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Community trust<\/a> was sacrificed, too. Disgusted with Reddit for how it handled third-party apps, abruptly ushered in pricing changes, and treated moderators who protested, numerous valuable, <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/gadgets\/2023\/07\/reddit-calls-for-a-few-new-mods-after-axing-polarizing-some-of-its-best\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">knowledgeable users<\/a> quit the platform.<\/p>\n<p>Originally, Reddit framed its API pricing changes as a way to prevent generative AI companies from using Reddit data to train large language models (LLMs) without Reddit getting anything in return. With Reddit no longer dealing with small third-party developers&mdash;all of which are now either paying Reddit or getting some sort of exemption&mdash;Reddit is reportedly taking the fight to where it should have been focused the entire time: generative AI firms.<\/p>\n<h2>Can Reddit survive without search?<\/h2>\n<p>On Friday, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/technology\/2023\/10\/20\/artificial-intelligence-battle-online-data\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Washington Post<\/a>, as spotted by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2023\/10\/20\/23925504\/reddit-deny-force-log-in-see-posts-ai-companies-deals\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Verge<\/a>, said Reddit \"has met with top generative AI companies about being paid for its data,\" citing an anonymous source.<\/p><\/div><p><a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/?p=1977935#p3\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read 21 remaining paragraphs<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/?p=1977935&amp;comments=1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Comments<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Enlarge (credit: Getty)  <\/p>\n<p>Reddit ignited a war this year. 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